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Chaturanga - Four Kings - Double Mate. Missing description (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]'Knavish Shatranj' and 'Chaturanga - Four Kings - Double Mate' were placed in the 'Week Ending' section as if they came out before Charles Gilman's two updated items.
thanks joe, i'm guessing you have adjusted that, one thing though, lol, both the games i mentioned you have as 'updated' lol. also, the lastest move in chaturanga you just played, you moved the black side when it was greens move haha, i'll send you a move moving your black pawn back hehe
lol. yeah that's ok, you wanna restart both games? .. i'll send you an email.
Knavish Shatranj. Shatranj with Knaves and Debtors. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Do the knave and debtor move the same as in Charles Gilman's game 'Knavish Chess'. I first thought these pieces moved fully as a knight with one piece having the horizontal dabbaba leap and the other the vertical dabbaba leap. oh don't worry, i see that they do, these pieces are better than i thought!
oh, and i think it is a interesting game set-up, i'm a big fan of the shatranj styled short range pieces, you should make a zrf of the game, be nice to see how it plays.
Knavish Chess. Variant using square-board analogues to 6-way hex-board Dabbabas. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]So Charles, you are going with the 10x10 board as shown on the page, what about the the 10x8 you showed in the comments? Two variants? If so you should add to the page. i like the look of the 10x10 myself. Yeah i misunderstood those pieces you made, thinking them more powerful than you made. I really love the way they are, fantastic.
i cannot see '4-handed chaturanga' in the list of games for game courier, it should be under the '0-9' section, right? anyway, it doesn't appear to be there, can an editor please add it to the list, thanks. /play/pbm/play.php?game=4-Handed+Chatarunga&settings=4-handed+chat+1.00 oh i just noticed that actually, 'chaturanga' is spelt wrong too.
hey joe thanks for adding the game to the list of game courier games. there seems to be some problem though, with the logging of games. on the preset page, if you click on .. 'You may also review past games of 4-Handed Chaturanga.' it does not bring up the game we finished last week, or if you try to see 'active games' it does not bring up our current game we are playing. i do not know if the problem is caused by the error of spelling the name 'chaturanga', like, if you look at our current game it is under the title of '4-Handed Chatarunga'. As you can see, the word 'chaturanga' is spelt wrong. (check your email, i asked you something about your warlord game).
Gnu. 
Compound of Knight (1-2 leaper) and Camel (1-3) leaper.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]The Gazelle is a pretty standard name for the knight/zebra compound. There are many pieces not mentioned in Piececlopedia. If you have Zillions of Games, download my game 'Piece Promotion Games 2', it has the Gnu, Bison and Gazelle in it's variants. Zillions rates these pieces as follows .. Gnu 16,338 Gazelle 15,245 Bison 14,316. Also you can see the Buffalo (knight/camel/zebra) and Squirrel (knight/dabbaba/alfil) in this game. Another place to look at different fairy pieces is http://www.mayhematics.com/v/gm.htm
Well i know pawns really hold a game together, without the pawns things are pretty chaotic and all over the place. Play some short range piece game where pieces cannot attack each other from the start, without pawns, and you will get an idea what pawns do.
Gnu. Compound of Knight (1-2 leaper) and Camel (1-3) leaper.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I dont really understand what you mean when you say '.. the Gazelle would be weaker, and that that was why it was not popular enough to merit a Piececlopedia page.' I don't think a piece not mentioned in piececlopedia means something negative about it. I think Fergus is in charge of this page, but anyone can write about a piece and put it up for being added to the page. There are many fairy pieces in existence and if one person is in charge of the page, i can easily see why it doesn't have every different piece under the sun added, too big a job if you have a life hehe. The ratings i gave is what 'zillion's' gives the piece, i am not saying that this is correct either, it just give's you an idea, i'm sure there are people who probably can give more 'correct' answers to the strength of these pieces.
As George said, they are all very close. I do like Jeremy's comment too, 'The long move gives you speed, but the shorter gives you more maneuverability.'
AndR, i have no idea how zillions comes up with these numbers, it gives a pawn in this game the rating of 2,752. It is free to become a member of this site, and your comments will be posted straight away instead of the wait, you should consider this :)
Chaturanga. The first known variant of chess. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Yudhishthira replied, 'Ye sons of the Kuru race, ye bulls among men, hear what I shall do on appearing before king Virata. Presenting myself as a Brahmana, Kanka by name, skilled in dice and fond of play, I shall become a courtier of that high-souled king. And moving upon chess-boards beautiful pawns made of ivory, of blue and yellow and red and white hue, by throws of black and red dice. I shall entertain the king with his courtiers and friends. And while I shall continue to thus delight the king, nobody will succeed in discovering me. And should the monarch ask me, I shall say, 'Formerly I was the bosom friend of Yudhishthira.' I tell you that it is thus that I shall pass my days. Now replaceing 'chess-boards' with 'boards' and 'pawns' with 'pieces', we still have a very interesting verse here! It is true there is not very much detail here, about the game, but that is to be expected. There is a drama going on in the life of Yudhishthira and his brothers, and he is explaining how he will disguise himself. That is the main purport of his talk. So, let's look at what we have about the game. We have a game, played with dice, on a board, with pieces of four specified colors. There is no mention of piece movements at all, but, this is to be expected isn't it, Yudhishthira is talking about how he will disguise himself, not talking really about the game, which is not the main point. Now John, you say .. 'So we have a gameboard, dice, and pieces of four specified colors but NO MENTION OF DIFFERENT TYPES. Not chess, probably pachisi.' I don't understand why you say 'not chess, probably pachisi', can you explain why you say this. It seems to me that a game with dice, board, and pieces of 4 different colors could be 'Chaturaji'.
hey john you don't have an exact quote from murray about this verse do you? i'll post soon what i have concluded about this verse too, there's a couple of questions i have also about it.
yeah it does seem strange after a pretty detailed description of the game no info on pieces is given. Pachisi doesn't sit too well either does it, because of the dice maybe? i looked on wiki about that game and it says it is played with 'shell' thingies for dice, and you use 6 or 7 of them to roll or each roll? i'm guessing though you could play with dice?
Hey, i've noticed something about this mahabharata verse, and i don't think we have been looking at it in the right context. I'll tell you why. First of all, to understand exactly what Yudhishthira is saying in this verse, you have to know what is going on in his life at this time. He and his brothers have just spent 12 years in exile and have one more year to go, but if they are detected in this final year, they must spend another 13 years in exile. So they plan to spend the final year in disguise, living in the city of Virata. So now, each brother speaks, telling the others .... 1. how they are going to disguise themselves 2. how they will spend their time in this disguise and go undetected till the year ends. With this in mind, let's look at what Yudhishthira says. Sentences 1 and 2 ... (1). Yudhishthira replied, 'Ye sons of the Kuru race, ye bulls among men, hear what I shall do on appearing before king Virata. (2). Presenting myself as a Brahmana, Kanka by name, skilled in dice and fond of play, I shall become a courtier of that high-souled king. ok, this is clear, Yudhishthira tells his brothers how he plans to disguise himself as a pro-gamer, so to speak. Now sentences 3 and 4. (3). And moving upon boards beautiful pieces made of ivory, of blue and yellow and red and white hue, by throws of black and red dice. (4). I shall entertain the king with his courtiers and friends. Now the 3rd sentence here is the one we are always told Yudhisthira describes a game, however, this is not true, Yudhisthira is actually describing HIMSELF PLAYING A GAME. He is telling his brothers how he will be passing his days in the king's court playing games. It is one thing to describe a game, but it is another thing to describe yourself playing a game, they are two different things. And look at the 4th sentence, it follows on from the 3rd, it shows the outcome of his playing games, he shall entertain the king. In the 5th and 6th sentences, Yudhisthira then says how he will be undetected. (5) And while I shall continue to thus delight the king, nobody will succeed in discovering me. (6) And should the monarch ask me, I shall say, 'Formerly I was the bosom friend of Yudhishthira.' And look at the last sentence .... (7) I tell you that it is thus that I shall pass my days (in the city of Virata). He finishes telling them 'it is thus that i shall pass my days ..'. When you understand he is describing himself playing a game, rather than the game itself, it isn't such a big deal he has used the word 'board' instead of a more specific term. How many of us today use the word 'board' instead of 'chessboard', and as far as not describing the piece movements, what is the point? If we ask these questions, 'why not board specific word' and 'why not describe piece movements', i think we are clearly not understanding what Yudhisthira is telling his brothers. If you read the Mahabharata after Yudhisthira finishes, all his other brothers speak, telling how they will disguise themselves and how they pass their days in this disguise. Also, looking at the 3rd sentence of Yudhisthira, note his words 'And moving upon boards' and 'by throws of black and red dice'. He is painting a picture of himself playing the game. You will note in this sentence, he describes what the pieces are made of, the colors of the pieces, even the color of the dice, all the visuals. Also i think it is interesting he says 'beautiful pieces', though you can conclude nothing from it. It is more easily imaginable this describes chess-like pieces rather than Pachisi pieces, though as i said, this proves nothing. Oh, one more thing, i think there is also no doubt Yudhisthira's brothers knew very well the game he was talking about playing. So i think i have to go back to what i originally thought, this game could be a pachisi type game or it could be chaturaji.
Dragonchess (R). Commercial large chess variant. (16x10, Cells: 124) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]This looks a great game, love the dragon piece, also i think the extra side squares are useful, i'm sure they will be used. Site loads fine to me.
yes it moves 1-3 squares on the queen lines. oops yeah and no jumps, slider. piece is from dai dai shogi, 'lion dog'.
Wow, thanks for that :)) I knew of 'guardian of the gods' being in 'maka dai dai shogi' and 'tai shogi', being a R3 slider with also a 1 square diagonally forward move, now i see, yes, 'guardian of the gods' in 'taikyoku shogi' omits the diagonally forward move. Nice!! I knew about the two different 'wrestler' pieces, i'm pretty sure in another chat you told me about that when i was searching for a shogi piece moving 1-3 squares diagonally, hehe. Thanks again for your help, i'm coding shogi pieces from all the ancient classic shogi variants to release on a zrf to showcase them all, will be released this year, it is not a game, just something to showcase the pieces. It will have a least more than 120 pieces. The graphics will be done to try to indicate how the pieces move also just by looking at the piece. i think now i have done 118 pieces, but i'm getting tired of it lol and dont know how many more i can do, the shogi pieces seem endless haha. It is mainly pieces from 'taikyoku' left to do also.
Dragonchess (R). Commercial large chess variant. (16x10, Cells: 124) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Yes 'tai shogi' and 'dai dai shogi' have a 'lion dog', which moves 1-3 squares on the queen lines. Both these games are thought to be from the 15th century, if not earlier. You can call these games war games, but in essence, they really are chess variants i would say. I am guessing you did not know about this piece? I don't know why you would copyright a piece like this, are you meaning you have copyrighted the name 'dragon' for a piece moving as you give? Or copyrighting the name 'dragon'? The chances of someone making a game calling a piece 'dragon' and giving it the moves of a 'lion dog' are probably a million to one. I will be releasing a zrf to showcase many shogi pieces from the ancient shogi variants, the 'lion dog' is included, hope i'm not breaking the law (lol).
Concise Guide to Chess Variants. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]hi is this your first chess variant, congrats on creating. i think you should make a game page for it here on this site, instead of just giving a link to your webpage in this forum.
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