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There is a few shogi pieces that have forward only moves, i could check and give you a list. Are you wanting pieces that move forward and sideways, or are you just talking strictly forwards? oh and yes i was asking a bit ago about a piece that moved 1-3 squares on the diagonal lines, Jorg answered that question.
Stone General : moves 1 square diagonally forward.
Iron General : moves 1 square in the 3 forward directions.
Evil Wolf: steps 1 square orthogonally sideways or directly forward, or
diagonally forward.
Ram's-head soldier: slides diagonally forward any number of squares.
Wood General: slides 1 or 2 squares diagonally forward.
Enchanted Badger: Steps 1 or 2 squares orthogonally forward or sideways.
Violent Bear: steps 1 square horizontally and one or two squares diagonally
forward.
Flying Cock: steps 1 square orthogonally sideways or diagonally forward.
Lance: moves any number of free squares directly forward (orthogonal).
Keima: leaps 2 squares directly forward like a knight only.
Side Mover: moves any number of free squares orthogonally sideways, or 1
square directly forward.('Heian dai shogi').
Side dragon: moves any number of free squares in a straight line
orthogonally forward or sideways.('Taikyoku shogi').
Running wolf: steps 1 square orthogonally forward or moves any number of
free squares orthogonally sideways or diagonally forward (Taikyoku shogi).
Angry boar: moves 1 square orthogonally forward or sideways or 1-2 squares
diagonally forward (Taikyoku shogi).
Shogi variants checked; wa, chu, heian dai, dai, tenjiku, dai dai, maka dai
dai, tai and taikyoku.
Concise Guide to Chess Variants. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]the link given for George Jelliss: Theory of Moves, Knight's Tour Notes 2001,
does not work, but you can find it here, an interesting article (14 pages) he prepared for a talk to the Hastings and St Leonards Chess Club on 21 August 2010.
http://www.mayhematics.com/v/v.htm .. just click on 'simple chess variants', a pdf. Great fun for variant fans to read, from page 9 ..
All possible leapers with coordinates up to 4 have acquired special names, as follows: Dummy {0,0}, Wazir {0,1}, Dabbaba {0,2}, Threeleaper {0,3}, Fourleaper {0,4}, Fers {1,1}, Knight {1,2}, Camel {1,3}, Gi-raffe {1,4}, Alfil {2,2}, Zebra {2,3}, Lancer {2,4}, Tripper {3,3}, Antelope {3,4} and Commuter {4,4}.
Names for all two-pattern leapers with coordinates up to 2 are: King {0,1}+{1,1}, Wazaba {0,1}+{0,2}, Emperor {0,1}+{1,2}, Caliph {0,1}+{2,2}, Duke {1,1}+{0,2}, Prince {1,1}+{1,2}, Ferfil {1,1}+{2,2}, Templar {0,2}+{1,2}, Alibaba {0,2}+{2,2} and Hospitaller {1,2}+{2,2}.
Any combination of a piece with a free piece is obviously free. It can however happen that a two-pattern leaper is free even though its components are not. I call such pieces amphibians. The simplest cases are Frog {1,1}+{0,3}, Toad {0,2}+{0,3} and Newt {2,2}+{0,3}.
Many other two-pattern leapers are possible. Of particular interest, especially to those who know the theorem of Pythagoras are the Fiveleaper {0,5}+{3,4} and the Rootfiftyleaper {5,5}+{1,7}, which are the only two-pattern fixed-distance leapers on the 8×8.
The simplest three-pattern leaper is the Centaur {0,1}+{1,1}+{1,2} a combination of king and knight.ah ok, that is fine anyways i have interest in that list, i didn't realise there was so many shogi pieces with no backward movement, 14 pieces there. i want to update my game 'gods on pluto' with a few more pieces that do not have backward movement, at least putting pieces inside the zrf. Charles you have name for a piece that is mao + xiang don't you, i think i seen before, can't remember. Can you tell me, and, can you link where you where you have piece names for slider and slider compounds not higher than 2 squares? (oh maybe leaper compounds not higher than 2 squares also).
Concise Guide to Chess Variants. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]lol, you know i didn't like the names when i first saw, 'toad', yuck, and 'newt', what's a newt?!, Newt Gingrich?, haha .. but when i read your comment and finished laughing, i looked up what 'newt' meant, and, yes your right, they are good names, they go nice with 'frog' name, hehe. i can live with 'toad' name :)
Interesting, i know the Knight/Zebra compound as 'Gazelle' also, but doing a search i couldn't find anything, Jorg, where does the name 'Okapi' come from. Always interested in alternate names, but i do like the name 'gazelle' for this piece though.
Now Charles, you say 'One useful feature to add would be to distinguish usage in actual variants from problematist names largely ignored by varint designers.'
Well, i don't know, sounds a bit melodramatic to me, 'Quick, Joe Joyce has been hit by a pie in the face down by the old school road, curse those problematist's!!'.
I mean, piece names listed by problematists have many names accepted and used by game designers. And, even pieces that began their life as problem pieces like 'grasshopper' and 'nightrider' have been embraced by game designers (flamingo, locust?).
Also, game designers don't just 'largely ignore' problematist names, i would say they largely ignore everyone, other game designers also. Game designers are like 'maverick's', they do as they please, nameing pieces as they wish.
Just look at the history of the rook/knight and bishop/knight compounds, and also the 'prince' piece you mention, 1 square all directions.
Possible first appearance in the 17th Century game 'Carrera's Chess', they were called 'Champion' and Centaur'. Then in 1874, 'Bird's Chess' they were called 'Guard' and 'Equerry'. Later, in 'Capablanca Chess' they appeared under the names 'Chancellor' and 'Archbishop'. Then a string of similar games followed ..
grotesque - guard equerry
gothic - chancellor archbishop
aberg's - chancellor archbishop
optimized - chancellor archbishop
embassy - marshall cardinal
ladorean - marshall cardinal
univers - marshal paladin
schoolbook - marshal archbishop
janus - 'janus' (archbishop) - no chancellor
new chancellor - chancellor - no archbishop
flanking archbishops - archbishop - no chancellor.
And then recently, Seirawan Chess amazingly calls these pieces 'Elephant' and 'Hawk' ... yep 'Elephant' name was used, could you throw a bigger spanner in the works, hardly, lol.
Now, a piece that moves 1 square in all directions, appears to me to first appeared in the 1000 year old game 'Shatranj Kamil', where it was called a 'War Machine' or 'Dabbaba'!!. Note in another variant of this game, the Dabbaba {0,2} appears under the name 'Camel'. And later, around the 12th century, in 'Courier Chess', this piece is called a 'Man'. Was it Jean-Louis Cazaux who first called this piece a 'Prince'? Piececlopedia lists under 'Man' and 'Commoner'. Joe Joyce calls it 'General'.
So it is clear to see, game designers not only ignore problematist names, but they ignore everyone, true mavericks, like mad scientists they put their games together and name the pieces as they see fit, ('fool's, i'll destroy them all'), and the chess variant community accepts this, game designers can do as they please, and most people don't mind.
Sure, certain names over time become accepted as the norm, but as we see, even big pieces (rook/knight and bishop/knight compounds) still go under multi-names. Sorry for long post.
Hey, i saw a site listing old shatranj pieces and it gives the knight/bishop compound the name 'Karkaddan', saying it is an old piece in a game called 'Shatrank al-Kabir'. Piece is at bottom of page, and the game link is in piece description. Any thoughts?
http://filer.case.edu/org/cwrums/games/shat-pieces.html#shah
main page link for other info on games is here
http://filer.case.edu/org/cwrums/games/i like it, what else do people call it? and i like capa's name for knight/bishop
oh yeah, i like dullahan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dullahan another idea could be Abaddon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon grim reaper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grim_reaper
yeah i was suprised i couldn't find the gazelle listed, maybe the website that used to list it has disappeared.
Great work George posting info on pieces from these old games! This is really helpful, besides shogi pieces, i also want to release on zrf all other fairy pieces (well, at least 120+) to showcase them (not a game).
Rules of Chess: Castling FAQ. Frequent asked questions about castling.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
A Guide to Fairy Chess. Book first published in 1967.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]This out of print book is on amazon at the moment, 12 used copies from $9.00 up and a new copy selling at $344.00.
Rules of Chess: Castling FAQ. Frequent asked questions about castling.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Haha, just kidding last post :) Yeah look it is good question, why can't the king castle out of check. Maybe when they set the rules, on the another day, they could of allowed it. All i can think of, is, castling is like a big production. You move the king 2 squares instead of one, and the rook also moves in the very same turn. Therefore, it cannot be done 'fast enough' to get out of check :) So yes, i don't know hehe. As far as why the king cannot move through check, dont know either, all i can guess is, 'the king cannot move into check', the rule see's moving through check as 'being in check while moving' so to speak. It actually doesn't move (finish) in check though. Interesting and great question.
Chaturanga. The first known variant of chess. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]You can speculate all you want, but in the end, it is all speculation. What governs what is considered the 'oldest' chess is what records are the oldest found, that is it. I dont think this is correct of course, so much records of the ancients has been lost. I consider it unclear where chess began, no one can say for sure. An earthquake could happen in China revealing an ancient tomb and chess writing 2,000 years ago are discovered, then chess would be said to have come from china. The idea that chess always evolves to something better also is debateable. People love inventing things and trying new things, it does not mean the newer idea is a progression. There is no reason to consider that the modern pawn, moving 1 square forward and capturing diagonally could not have been the first pawn to exist. One thing i can't help thinking, the date we give as chess beginning, seems to me to be highly unlikely, i feel chess is much older, in India, China and Japan. The ancients were NOT stupid. They were highly advanced. To think that all they played was a 'race game' .... well, really? Look at the mahabharata verse, where Yudhisthira talks about 'delighting the king with his play' ... he is going to delight the king with his play in a race game? Come on ... Chess most likely has been around in India and China and Japan for thousands and thousands of years. But of course, this is speculation. It's interesting what you saying though, don't get me wrong.
Chess without pawns 
. Variant where only kings can take and no pawns are used.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]the variant of this game, 2nd diagram, you have set a bishop up for white which looks like an error.
Drunken Nights. A toned down version of the Nutty Knights for Chess with different Armies. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]The Charging Rook moves forwards and sidewards as a rook, but backwards as a King. The Drunken Night moves forwards as a Knight, sidewards as a Wazir, and backwards as a Ferz. The Colonel moves as a Charging Rook or as a forward Knight. Two questions. So, 'backwards as a king' means the 3 directions backwards, and 'forwards as a knight' means directly forwards, therefore 2 directions forward, is this right? Oh, and one more question, these are new pieces?
Charging Paladin (fBfNsbK). sorry, that means forward bishop and knight, and sideways and backwards king, is that right?
thanks, i like the new pieces, well done.
you rated your own game 'excellent' ...
'Are you expecting a response to your comment?' No, i wasn't expecting a response, but i see you gave me one. I also see you rated your game a 2nd time, lol, and i'm not expecting a response to that either. Thanks, and good luck with your game.
Wow, you rock. Look, i'm sorry if maybe i upset you when all i had to say when i first posted was that you rated your own game. I was just surprised that you did that. But i was going to follow up with my thoughts on your game. i'm always interested in new pieces, and i like the new pieces because i also think the rook/knight and bishop/knight compounds are too strong. Your pieces are not over-powering, so they go nicely with the other normal pieces. Anyway, i'm sorry if i upset you.
Carpenter. compound of Knight and Dabbaba.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]just needing some info on names for this piece Ralph Betza called it 'Doughnut', is that right? The name 'Vicount' then came from Peter Aronson in a discussion about 'rook level chess', correct?
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