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Fergus Duniho

Bn Em

I'm sorry for my poor english becease I not good at english much.

The visual for guard soldier; I use same idea from makruk that represent promoted pawn by flipped pawn, but in some makruk program represent promoted pawn by use same visual as a met (ferz) intead of use differnt visual. I already change visual of guard soldier to same as guard.

For 64+16 moves rules, Bn Em urderstood correctly it's like Bn Em expain it. I don't know how to describe it because rule isn't same as any chess variation to declare a draw.

Fergus Duniho

Bn Em

I already add some example game for who want it from my playing agianst Popo Chess.

And I already add variations that previous, I don't want to publish at now but want to plubish it after i make video about Continental Chess, but now i decide to add it.

For 64+16 moves rules will start counting immediately when not have any soldiers left on board. When captured occur instead of recounting will added 16 moves to remaining moves before a draw.

Thank, for comment, I know that both move of queen and elephant quite not historical much but I try best way to incorporate way and make elephant and queen aren't historical much, but it best way tas I can done to preserve dynamic of each pieces.

In fact if I use elephant as in South East Asian (SEA) varaints, the piece value is just go very weird much, elephant that move like silver general is pretty weak piece have value around 230 centipawns but it still can win with stalemating opponent (it's basically weakest fairy pieces that can force stalemate in 8×8 board), but it's weaker than knight and bishop much, in normal situations even exchange bishop with elephant and pawn still isn't good much.

In silver general edgame agianst either major piece is always lose because fotress position that can be done with elephant (which move like crane from tori shogi) doesn't work. in crane version can draw agianst queen but lose agianst rook, knight done aganist rook and queen vice versa make in basic endgame more interesting for me.

In my view, I want to introduce another dynamic that just from SEA variants, slow piece but good in control front squares. In Contrast of classic chess bishop and queen just move around board at fast rate, I just want to game slower but still fun with with adaption some dynamic from SEA variants, I think changing some movement (although it's not quite historical), but I think it's good enough to introduce new dynamics.

Queen is only piece that have both leap and rider movements, in this game it's have 2 leaper piece types, knight and elephant, 2 rider piece types, bishop and rook, making queen more make sense for me as it only 1 piece on board that combined movement of both leap and range movements and also preserve diagonal as main movement from old queen that only make diagonal 1 step.

For pawn structure and placement in intial setup, it's heavily influenced from Sittuyin as you said, but take pawn 1 step back in intial setup make more space for piece to play in center and make pawn not face each other at start of the game.

Let's me review each paragraph.

1st > this is rule not "game etiquette" counting will happend only on turn of person who request counting (and by other way in ultimate count to in case of bare king)

2nd > I said that are 2 types of counting fist one can be requested by player and 2nd one when one player left only bare king and no unpromoted pawn left, counting will start and no need to request counting.

3rd > Even rule suggest that person who in danger of losing can count in fact there are no rule preven person who about to winning start counting then before 64 move count is reached, he forfeit it. Yes but that will be seen as "bad player"

But yes sometime even stronger player can request counting to find a draw because he is risk of losing by run out of time as I ever does one time before. I play in 20+0 game and I have king+rook+bishop vs king+rook which is draw endgame. But she have a lot more time than me and I in risk of losing by run out of time so I request counting to find a draw, because she still have rook left as rook is suffecient to checkmate so if I run out of time I will lose not draw. It make seem counterintunitive but rule allow me to do as she will win me on tiome if I not request counting as Makruk doesn't have 50 move rule as Chess does.

4th > Yes, it's vague but in competitive game when someone request counting he must announce it to Referee too. And I don't think so that referee will allow person with rook to start counting as person with knight can no longer win as kinght aren't sufficient to checkmate (against bare king) As person with rook can't lose anymore even if he is run out of time because opponent didn't have enough material to force ckeckmate in bare kind situation.

5th > bare king counting is different from 64-move counting as it will happended without need to request counting. It's no need to consider who are in risk of losing because now we have clear term that who in risk of losing.

6th > Yes, but if you forgot to declare to stop counting before mate opponent then game is end in draw by counting. But yes if he can't see it, he is a very poor player.

Note" Material that consider sufficient to checkmate in bare king situation by official rule are as following

1st > 3 queens that all queen not on the same colour squares. 2nd > queen + bishop 3rd > queen + knight 4th > 2 bishops 5th > bishop + knight 6th > rook

for "queen + knight" endgame although theoretically draw with best play from both side in most positions but some positions are possible ot force win with mostly involve king in corner that same with colour of queen and can't get out, so it still count as sufficient to checkmate by official rule.

Okay, I go back to consult referee and I did make some mistake. การนับศักดิ์กระดาน (Board's Strength Counting) can be requested by both side and can counting saperately at the same time (though referee usually step up at this point and convince both of them to make a draw but they can still refuse)

So 1st point is yes. it's automatic although in tournament you also must stop clock and tell referee that you gonna count it. As you muist always tell referre everytime that

2nd point nah, I did make mistake bacuase it's very rare to see 2 persons counting at the same time. So they can count seperately so I did assume that you can't count at the same time but in fact you can. But there are nothing prevent stringer side player to start counting because you think you'll lost on time to request counting.

KNN vs K is a draw imidately and even if stronger player forfeit time it's still a draw by insufficent material but KNN vs KP or KNN vs KQ are not since it can be forced checkmated in some position and will be played until BOARD'S STRENGTH COUNTING is reached.

Following more on later paragraphs BARE KING COUNT are count as written in table but NON-BARE KING COUNT that be requested by player are always count toward 64 and start counting from 1 (oppose to number of pieces plus 1 as BARE KING COUNT)

So in KBB vs KN if black want to draw they must count from 1 toward 64 to get a draw by BOARD'S STRENGTH COUNTING .But if in the way back lost knigt and become KBB vs K then counting switch to PIECE'S STRENGTH COUNTING that start from 5 toward 44

Now I understand now that why you miss point because you didn't understand that it have 2 seperate type of counting.

Thugh by tournament rule if your opponent are counting for draw by BOARD'S STRENGTH COUNTING and you have less than 5 minutes but still have more than 2 minutes if you think you can't checkmate within time you can force draw on opponent on your turn. But if You have less than 2 minutes you can't force draw anymore.

Because whole idea of counting is for counting side want to draw.

So rule must write 2 types of counting seperately because it act very different from each other.

I'm sorry that rule is very confusing because it really is. I recommonded to go to Pychess website and read rule of Makruk on it since it's accurate there.

Okay, I go back to consult referee and I did make some mistake. การนับศักดิ์กระดาน (Board's Strength Counting) can be requested by both side and can counting saperately at the same time (though referee usually step up at this point and convince both of them to make a draw but they can still refuse)

So 1st point is yes. it's automatic although in tournament you also must stop clock and tell referee that you gonna count it. As you muist always tell referre everytime that

2nd point nah, I did make mistake bacuase it's very rare to see 2 persons counting at the same time. So they can count seperately so I did assume that you can't count at the same time but in fact you can. But there are nothing prevent stringer side player to start counting because you think you'll lost on time to request counting.

KNN vs K is a draw imidately and even if stronger player forfeit time it's still a draw by insufficent material but KNN vs KP or KNN vs KQ are not since it can be forced checkmated in some position and will be played until BOARD'S STRENGTH COUNTING is reached.

Following more on later paragraphs BARE KING COUNT are count as written in table but NON-BARE KING COUNT that be requested by player are always count toward 64 and start counting from 1 (oppose to number of pieces plus 1 as BARE KING COUNT)

So in KBB vs KN if black want to draw they must count from 1 toward 64 to get a draw by BOARD'S STRENGTH COUNTING .But if in the way back lost knigt and become KBB vs K then counting switch to PIECE'S STRENGTH COUNTING that start from 5 toward 44

Now I understand now that why you miss point because you didn't understand that it have 2 seperate type of counting.

Thugh by tournament rule if your opponent are counting for draw by BOARD'S STRENGTH COUNTING and you have less than 5 minutes but still have more than 2 minutes if you think you can't checkmate within time you can force draw on opponent on your turn. But if You have less than 2 minutes you can't force draw anymore.

Because whole idea of counting is for counting side want to draw.

So rule must write 2 types of counting seperately because it act very different from each other.