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Sin-yeon-sang-gi (ๆ–ฐๆผ”่ฑกๆฃ‹). I dramatized Sin-yeon-sang-hui (ๆ–ฐๆผ”่ฑกๆˆฑ), one of the variations of the Joseon Dynasty, in Xiangqi style.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ“Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 03:51 AM UTC:

Can this be published ?


๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ“Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 04:14 AM UTC:
files=13 ranks=10 promoZone=5 promoChoice=Q graphicsDir=../graphics.dir/alfaerie/ whitePrefix=w blackPrefix=b graphicsType=gif squareSize=54 darkShade=#C8E0A8 lightShade=#F0FFC0 royal=8 symmetry=mirror pawn::fW:chinesepawn:a4,c4,e4,g4,i4,k4,m4 pawn (passed):Q:fsW:chinesepawn: guard::F:pawn:f1,h1 bull:U:afF:ox:e1,i1 horse::afsW:horse:d1,j1 cannon::::b3,l3 rook::::a1,m1 king::WfafyafcW:king:g1 bear:B:asfafW:tiger:c1,k1 rhino:I:afasfW:rhino:b1,l1

Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 07:32 AM UTC:

Is this variant a recent invention or is there an historical context? I don't understand. It is said "I dramatized Sin-yeon-sang-hui", but what is Sin-yeon-sang-hui?

Thank you


๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ“Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 07:53 AM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 07:32 AM:

ๆ–ฐๆผ”่ฑกๆˆฑๅœ–่ชช - ์‹ ์—ฐ์ƒํฌ๋„์„ค

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ไฝ™ไนƒๆ›ดๅผตไน‹ๅˆฅ้–‹ๅ››่ทฏ, ๆทปไน‹ไปฅ็‰›่ˆ‡็Š€

่€Œ็‰›่กŒ็”ฐ ็Š€่กŒๆœˆ, ๅ’ๅ„ๆทปไบŒ ๆฏ”่ˆŠ้€ฒๆ“šไธ€่ทฏ

ๆ–ผๆ˜ฏไนŽๅšไน‹ๆ•ธๅ››ๅๅ››่€Œ็”จๅ…ตไน‹่ก“ไบฆๅฏ่ฌ‚ๅ„ๆฅตๅ…ถๅฆ™็Ÿฃ

๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ(์žฅ๊ธฐ)์„ ์ƒˆ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๋ณ€ํ˜•ํ•ด ๋ณด์•˜๋‹ค.

์šฐ์„  4๊ฐœ์˜ ๊ธธ์„ ๋” ๋Š˜๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์šฐ(็‰›)์™€ ์„œ(็Š€)๋ผ๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ฌผ์„ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.

์šฐ(็‰›)๋Š” ๋ฐญ์ „(็”ฐ)์ž๋กœ ์›€์ง์ด๊ณ , ์„œ(็Š€)๋Š” ๋ˆˆ๋ชฉ(็›ฎ)์ž๋กœ ์›€์ง์ธ๋‹ค.

์กธ(ๅ’)์€ ๊ฐ๊ฐ 2๊ฐœ์”ฉ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ด์ „๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ๊ธธ๋งŒ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค.

์ด์— ๊ธฐ๋ฌผ์˜ ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ 44๊ฐœ๋กœ ๋Š˜์–ด๋‚˜ ์šฉ๋ณ‘์ˆ  ์—ญ์‹œ ๊ทธ ์˜ค๋ฌ˜ํ•จ์ด ๊ทน์— ๋‹ฌํ•œ๋‹ค.

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Source : ้œ้ป˜ๅ ‚้›† - ์ •๋ฌต๋‹น์ง‘ (1776)

If you want to, search the word ์ •๋ฌต๋‹น์ง‘ in https://kyu.snu.ac.kr/


H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 09:13 AM UTC in reply to Daphne Snowmoon from 04:30 AM:

When Cannon captures the Rhino, the text "I win!" appears. But it's not a checkmate situation at all. What error is this?

When you do not explicitly specify a royal piece through a parameter royal=N, the diagram assumes the last piece in the list is the royal one. In this case that is the Rhino. By default the diagram assumes extinction royalty. So when the diagram captures the second Rhino, it assumes it won the game.

Either re-order your piece lines in the diagram definition so that the King is last, or add a line royal=8.


๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ“Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 12:29 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 09:13 AM:

Ahh thanks !


Bn Em wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 01:51 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 07:32 AM:

Afaict, it looks like Sin-yeon-sang-hui is a historical Janggi variant (though my Korean is nonexistent so I can't confirm any of what Daphne posted), and this is a backโ€formation (โ€˜dramatisedโ€™ is probably Google Translate or equivalent) of an an equivalent Xiaฬ€ngqiฬ€โ€derived variant.

Presumably the Korean original has no river and Koreanโ€style cannons/advisors/generals


๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ“Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 02:00 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 01:51 PM:

SYSG (Sin-yeon-sang-gi) is a version adapted from SYSH (Sin-yeon-sang-hui), one of the historical variant of Janggi, in Xiangqi style. In the SYSH, there is no river, and instead of Xiangqi's Cannon, Janggi's Cannon exists. Also, The deployment will also be different from this one


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, Nov 19, 2021 06:05 PM UTC in reply to Daphne Snowmoon from 02:00 PM:

I think Sin-yeon-sang-hui is not well known for Westerners. Daphne, Would you be so kind to make also a page for this one, with the historical data theatre known? This is very interesting


๐Ÿ’ก๐Ÿ“Daphne Snowmoon wrote on Sat, Nov 20, 2021 01:24 AM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from Fri Nov 19 06:05 PM:

Okay ! I'll do it later!

ูฉ(หŠแ—œห‹*)ูˆ


๐Ÿ•ธFergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Nov 15, 2023 05:33 PM UTC:

I published this with some slight edits. I unchecked Historical from the categories, because I believe this is an original invention by the author that is based on a historical variant. I unchecked Multiplayer and Wargame, because it appears to be a normal two-player Chess variant.


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