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David Howe wrote on Tue, Jul 23, 2002 04:21 PM UTC:I have been adding board measurements for each game to our indexing database. Do people see a need for an index which cross-references games and pieces? This would enable listing all games which use a particular piece, or listing all pieces used in a particular game.
<p>If so, would the pieces be identified based on their movement or on the name of the piece? We could cross reference piececlopedia items with game items, or simply associate a list of piece names with each game. Keep in mind that building a cross reference would be a significant amount of work.
Joseph DiMuro wrote on Tue, Jul 23, 2002 04:51 PM UTC:Too much work, I think. I don't think many visitors to this site would want to look up, say, all variants that use a Murray Lion. Or all variants that use a Gryphon. Or whatever. Don't worry about those cross-references. I'm sure you have enough work to do as it is. :-)
google can do a fair job:
<a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=+%22murray+lion%22+site%3Awww.chessvariants.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&meta=">http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=+%22murray+lion%22+site%3Awww.chessvariants.com&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en&meta=</a>
<p>for example of the murray lion query.
<p>a script that query google probably would be sufficient
I'm with Joseph on this: too much work for the payoff. Think about keeping it up-to-date; whoever's job that was might have no life in a heavy contribution week. Also, listing all the pieces in a game is redundant to the actual game description. If it were done, it would be most useful to be identified by move, rather than name of piece. This would be a sysiphean labor. You would have to create indices based perhaps on funny notation. The syntax of funny notation is ambiguous, in that although it can describe movement precisely, there is more than one way to describe the same movement in many cases.
David Howe wrote on Tue, Jul 23, 2002 05:59 PM UTC:Quite often we get requests for information about a game that (for instance) is played on a large board and there was a piece called a 'Royal'. Now searching all chessvariant.com pages for the word 'Royal' turns up too many hits. So cross referencing can be useful when looking for games where piece names are commonly used words in other contexts.
<p>Not that I want to do all this work of course, but if there is enough demand for it, perhaps it would be worth it.
currently in the piececlopedia, many of the pieces list all the games that use that piece, even if the piece goes by a different name in a particular game. for example, the piececlopedia page for chancellor - moves as R+N - lists the chancellor from capablanca's chess, the marshall from grandchess, the champion from carrera's chess, etc. i think this is a good idea to have as much as possible, but it also sounds to me like having an automated system for this is not worth the effort. i think we'll have to settle for pointing out any additions to the list to the piececlopedia editor whenever we see something missing.
jianying wrote on Tue, Jul 23, 2002 08:48 PM UTC:with so many submissions it might not be feasible to add gamelist to piecelopedia, rather I think it would be perhaps be more helpful for submitters to reference piecelopedia instead, this way everyone add a few links yet the pages becomes more understandable.
I agree with jianying, I think. Cross-referencing all the variants sounds like a LOT of work but not much gain. OTOH, it might be worthwhile to fully cross-reference a subset like the _recognized_ variants, as that's where a lot of the better pieces either originated or were popularized. (Sometimes that influenced how the game drew enough interest to become 'recognized'.)
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