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Sonveau Marc-Pierre wrote on Mon, Mar 14, 2016 12:38 AM UTC:

Bonjour Ã  vous tous,

 
Such a long time I wanted to contact the C.V.-ers !!!
Now, its a good "momentum" for action...

In the actual context with ALPHAGO vs. Lee Sedol (fortunately, he won this
Sunday (!!), I have the pleasure to post my proposition of
chess-variant-concept called  "STRATEQ & HISTORYCHESS 2.0" or
XtendedChess.

Please, discover, enjoy, & ...comment: no project's perfect, of course !

My starting  objectives at     www.chesstrend.com

Soonly, (MarcPier Sonveau from Brussels)

Sonveau Marc-Pierre wrote on Wed, May 11, 2016 09:57 PM UTC:

Hi, today is a special one: we are, to the day, the 19 th. anniversary of the victory of "Deeper-blue" vs A.Casparov. What happened in the area of Rational-Games during these almost two decades? In 2005 the game CHECKERS (10 To The Power 11) increased the puzzles-rack, fully solved. ... And what about CHESS (10 TTP.55-60) ??? Already, by 2000, Vishy Anand asked himself. "Actually I Was always pessimistic, ten years ago I Said that "2010 Would Be Chess-the-end" or ... Would be "exhausted ? " It is not [yet] true, what purpose will it happen [after] 2015 ...? For every door the computers have closed, they have opened a new one. ". Already from Sochi past 2 year, the institution that is the World Championship is strongly questioned, because of the many drawn games dominating a competition under the influence of a.i. ... Shelby Lyman on "CHESS ON A NEW PARADYGM" interviews Magnus Carlsen who confess that in his eyes, the parties are interesting only from the hit 30 or very late in the game, and that everything is implemented in data bases from the next day... The old Lady FIDE will Centenary in 2024: probably the time to give way to a new generation? Thunderclap this early 2016 ! After the European Champion in November, former world Champion GAME of GO (TTP.171) was beaten four times in five by GOOGLE-GO program. Experts did not expect this scenario before 15 -20 years, perhaps! Unbelievable... During the coming 10 years foreshadow the great maneuver: there will be spaces (symbolically-blood ?) for outsiders ... Like others, our STRATEQ & HISTORYCHESS_2.0 + GRANDCHESS.1000 (ttp 10<300) will elegantly solve this challenge. In the coming year, we will play, "EN UN COUP" (take the English meaning), the mother of all battles: develop, discover and enforce "The Game of Kings 2..0". Remember Szun-TZU: â€œå¥½ä¸€èˆ¬å·²ç»èµ¢äº†ï¼Œæžæˆ˜æ–—å‰â€ Facing the sclerotic and often corrupt world of chess 1.0, a new generation of Chessvarianter's raising the head, including the front against cyber-Machine (Tremble, DEEP-GLUE, Human-Brain is back !!!) Let us remember the words of Vukcevitch, last century...:

Sonveau Marc-Pierre wrote on Sun, May 15, 2016 10:18 PM UTC:

Certainly found elderly on this C.V. website :

Vukcevich concluded the adress 1998: " One day, with or without our help,
our offspring will select something out of all this Chaos, and
revolutionize our Ancient Game.
They may even put it into permanent turmoil.  They may adopt different
rules for different rounds.   Let us accept the Unorthodox.   Let us bring
the visionaries home.   True, some will be certifiably crazy, others mildly
entertaining; but still others will be the true agents of change, and they
will make us Proud ".

......................................... Milan R. Vukcevich, Big Island,
Hawaii, August 8, 1998 ......................................

Moto of the F.I.D.E. / " GENS UNA SUMUS "

Moto of the F.I.S&H.I.F. / " PATREM OCCIDERE PRO GENS SALVATIO "...

chesstrend.com

MARCPIER SONVEAUX wrote on Thu, Apr 27, 2017 01:17 PM UTC:

DEEPER_GLUE vs WORLD CHAMP TODAY: 20Y - 2 Weeks…

May 2017 (and after) will be The month of the debate : Human-chimp=BRAIN vs A.I.

Since game 6 of the Deeper-blue-Kasparov re-match, played in NYC on May 11, 1997., what a run :

currently, the most basic-connected fridge has the hability to beat man !

Already, Google A.I-DEEPMIND seems developing very bad caracter in process of loosing, (in between machines-contests), tending to make « extremely agressive » choices...

But, for pioneering enthusiasts, her are some ideas for « Refuznik’s » cogitations...

Above all we must have in mind that in the sequences TACTICAL > OPERATIONAL > STRATEGIC (narrowest to largest), the game of Chess1.0 only reached the second, but never the third, if not only by langage mis-abuse…

An example among others, with our chesstrend.com productions (not yet commercial project, therefore free of speech in these C.V. amateur Pages, I beg...thank’s )

The (playable !) STRATEQxCHESS2.0 has a resolution probably superior to the power 500, that no Cyber could actually beat in the trial MAN=STRATEGIST vs CYBORG=HyperTACTICIAN only.

Of course derivates of Chess are the best skills to prove that we will meet an « intelligence » front of us one or other decade… Hour eyes have the « holo-architect » vision, and our mind is able to anticipate survival strategies, in projecting the future… THAT, can’t yet the Machine, reloading the challenge !

Let us share some interesting Ref’s from scattered autors:

§ INFINITE CHESS by Joel D. Hamkins, a math/logic hipster.

http://www.3ammagazine.com/3am/playing-infinite-chess/

§ Axiom system developer- Greg Schmidt « The future evolution of chess variants »

http://splay.webstarts.com/axiomcontestgames.html

§ The Future of Post-Human Chess: A Preface to a New Theory of Tactics an Strategy by Peter Baofu.

A wonderfull title for an undrinkable book {;°ààà}

http://www.cisp-publishing.com/acatalog/info_83.htlm

« TACTICS WITHOUT STRATEGY IS NOISE BEFORE DEFEAT » said Lao Tzu very long time ago :

In this reasoning way, the « BOLSHOYA- YKRA », the Great-Extended-Game, is certainly coming, which will have the hability to swallow « Deep-Glue » ...

George Duke wrote on Thu, Apr 27, 2017 02:42 PM UTC:

Interesting, thanks for the links, but "Chess Variant amateur Pages" is just your amateur talk. We know how to change the rules with integrity every step even every five minutes so that nothing you ever develop cannot be smashed our best players.

MARCPIER SONVEAUX wrote on Thu, May 11, 2017 12:20 PM UTC:

ANNIVERSARY TODAY: 20 Y. of RESIGNATION in front of the machine ? No !

Everywhere throughout the World, CHESSVARIANTS-RESISTANTS are busy to invent this new transcending ERA of CHESS 2.0, 3.0, ... that's coming !!!

See this interesting article in French about the end of Chess1.0 at the horizon 2035...

http://www.societe-informatique-de-france.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/1024-no6-lemoine-viennot.pdf

HURRY-UP, FAIRY GUY'S !!!

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, May 11, 2017 12:45 PM UTC:

I don't read French. Also, "fairy guys" is not the right phrase to describe people interested in Chess variants.

Aurelian Florea wrote on Thu, May 11, 2017 12:49 PM UTC:

Some of us do read french, and "fairy guys" it's a nice joke in my humble opinion, so give the benefit of the doubt please Fergus!

MARCPIER SONVEAUX wrote on Thu, May 11, 2017 09:02 PM UTC:

Thank's for the benefits of the doubt, Aurelian !

By returning on the traitor_Google_trad., I've realized my ambiguous twist...

(The Joke of the 20Y ! { ;°ààà))

"FAIRY-CHESS DREAMERS" should have be much better, as my honest intention !

MarcPier.

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