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Rich Hutnik wrote on Thu, Sep 4, 2014 02:52 AM UTC:

I wanted to get some feedback on this.  

Christian Freeling coined the term "Marquisian Method" which I had also
previously called "Limited Dutch Offer" (Dutch Offer being a take on a
Dutch Auction), but now means something a bit different.  For myself, I
came across this trying to figure out best way to balance A Few Acres of
Snow.

With the Marquisian Method, one player sets up both sides of a game likes
chess, and the opponent picks one side to play.

I now have the Limited Dutch Offer to be an extended version of the Method,
by having it that a player can either pick one of the two sides the way
they are set up, or rearrange one of the two sides and pass the choice back
to the player who initially set up the board.  Reason for the Limited Dutch
Offer approach is to minimize the chance of trap positions being created,
where a player who knows a position real well, could end up setting up a
trap they can win.  The Marquisian Method, which has its origins in
Checkers, came about exactly like this.

Anyone every try this, or want to, or have any thoughts to add?

George Duke wrote on Thu, Sep 4, 2014 04:17 PM UTC:

Among others as a placement method, don't forget Betza's Anti-PreChess: http://www.chessvariants.org/diffsetup.dir/antipre.html, as the one comment there says "in the year of our Board 2000."

Besides Betza, Brady addresses the pie rule in the above article's end line.

Also plural phase is Winther's http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MLarrangementche.

Then case where an imbalance is deliberately wanted, http://www.chessvariants.org/other.dir/oddschess.html, and how to systematize it fairly.  In Transcendental, the bids are like deepened pie cuts: http://www.chessvariants.org/diffsetup.dir/trancendental.html.

Rich Hutnik wrote on Thu, Sep 4, 2014 09:24 PM UTC:

My understanding about this category I mentioned here, is a version of the
Method is used with the likes of Squad Leader, in picking scenarios.  What
I add with the Limited Dutch Offer is another turn where traps can be
removed from play.  The idea is the same for both.  One could also decide
to do this for a single round play of one game, with a pool of variants. 
One person could pick a chess variant for both to play in the tournament,
and the other person then picks what side to play. They could also go and
do an adjustment to the board (both sides), and the initial player who
picked the variant picks both sides.


Another way to handle this is to have a player propose draw advantage to
one side, and an adjustment in other things like time to play, and so on.

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