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Neutral Subject Chess. Most pieces start neutral, and players compete to recruit them. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Jared McComb wrote on Thu, Apr 6, 2006 12:56 PM UTC:
I don't get it. Could someone help explain this to me? A diagram or two would be helpful as well.

Charles Gilman wrote on Sat, Apr 8, 2006 06:39 AM UTC:
I am having trouble thinking how to express it any more simply. The
questions to ask about each neutral at the end of a move are:
(1) If this piece were White and it were White's move, could it capture
any Black pieces?
(2) If this piece were Black and it were Black's move, could it capture
any White pieces?
Any neutral for which the answer to either question is yes ceases to be
neutral and becomes part of the army of whoever has just moved. The
questions are asked again of remaining neutrals, with the same consequence
for an answer of yes, and so on until the answer is no for all remaining
neutrals. Then the other player moves.
	If this doesn't help Jared McComb, I will need to know exactly what he
doesn't understand about this variant.

Jared McComb wrote on Sun, Apr 9, 2006 08:14 PM UTC:
So basically, any neutral piece that is attacking any non-neutral piece becomes yours at the end of your turn?

Michael Nelson wrote on Sun, Apr 9, 2006 08:24 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★
Let me try restating the rule and Charles can either affirm I am correct,
or he might think of yet another way to express the rule if I am wrong.

1. For the purpose of applying the recruitment rules, we pretend that a
neutral piece can capture a non-neutral piece.
2. After moving a piece, the player who just moved may recruit any piece
which is attacking a piece owned by either White or Black. 
3. If rule two applies to multiple pieces, they can all be recruited.
4. Recruitment is applied recursively, so if a neutral piece which is not
attacking a White or Black piece is doing so after a recruitment, that
piece can be recruited also.

Charles, is recruitment mandatory or is it legal for a player not to make
a recruitment he is entitled to, either by intent or oversight?

By the way, I think this is a fine game concept that deserves more
exploration--I expect there are many ways to apply it in different game
settings.

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Apr 10, 2006 07:30 AM UTC:
Michael Nelson's comment is correct, particularly regarding the recursive element. Recruitment is compulsory, so that (as stated in the list of possible move types) 'the question of neutral pieces capturing or checking recruited pieces never arises.'

Jared McComb wrote on Mon, Apr 10, 2006 02:51 PM UTC:
Okay, I get it now. Thanks for your help, guys. It's a great idea but I'll have to try it out before I can give it a proper rating.

George Duke wrote on Fri, Apr 27, 2018 06:08 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

Parton made Neutral King in 1953, where player has own orthodox pieces but the King is co-owned and

yet has to be checkmated.  Simple and elegant.  Most of Gilman's CVs are hurt by overcomplications in

piece-moves, odd board sizes, too many special rules, or attempt hybridizing Eastern chesses with forced

templates.  Once in a while he strikes paydirt such as AltOrthHex idea of splitting up the hexagonal Rook

into two, though nobody has really done anything with that either.  

Neutral Subject realizes that Parton's Mutator has wider applicability. Here player only has King and Queen to begin.  Neutral pieces get moved and then assigned to one side or the other.  The criterion to assign is applied at end of each turn according to hypothetical attack of each 'Neutral' on any piece already assigned.  Who wouldn't want more pieces rather than fewer? Many other CVs could be made in this genre of the pieces on board not belonging to either army initially.  

Charles' novel CV invention, expanding on Parton, gets somewhat awkward explanation in his essay. Like Aronson and Howe with Rococo, great idea is not followed up with clear summary fully disambiguating.

Still in all, there could be other ways to set up the bazaar of recruitment to build the forces in subvariants and new CVs this type of possible breakthrough Mutator.

 

 


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