Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To Joe Joyce wrote on Sun, Oct 21, 2007 07:07 PM UTC:Hey, Gary, thanks for your response. What if I made flat round disks that had the same [western style] piece icon on each side, but in opposite colors. This would allow us to play drop games by turning the pieces over when captured. You would need at least 10 pawn disks for each side, giving 20 double-sided pawn disks. You would need more piece disks than that, however. You would need the 8 FIDE pieces per side, plus the RN and BN pieces, plus 2 cannons, plus a pair of guards, plus a pair of elephants for shatranj, plus 2 towers, plus ... until you had enough pieces to play a large number of variants. What would this number be? How small could it be? And what about promoted pieces? Shogi, allowing multiple gold generals on the board, could be difficult. Let's look at this another way. How many pieces are used in one game? If a 10x10 board is 60% full, that means 30 pieces/side, and 60 total double-sided pieces. Deduct 10 pawns, leaving 20 pieces. FIDE uses 8, and the Capa/Carrera use 2 more, leaving 10 pieces. A pair each of towers, guards, and elephants will cover lances, gold, and silver, as well as shatranj, makruk and similar games. This takes 6 pieces, leaving 4 available from our hypothetical 30. Now, we already have 4 singleton pieces, and 6 pairs of pieces [but no promoted pieces for shogi, as we're looking at double-sided pieces with a white piece on one side and the same piece in black on the other]. This does, however, give us 10 different pieces plus the pawn in our set, which currently has 26 disks in it. Is this actually enough to play almost everything, except shogi? We could add 2 singleton pieces that would double as amazon/dragon bishop and emperor/dragon rook, bringing our total pieces/side to 28, and maybe use a go stone placed on a piece to represent promoted shogi pieces. Then, to bring the total to 30, I'd be inclined to throw in 2 more guard pieces, making 4 of them. This would give us 10 identical pawns, one set of 4 pieces, five pairs of pieces, and 6 singleton pieces. Would guard pieces do for promoted-to-gold shogi pieces? Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Universal Pieces does not match any item.