Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To George Duke wrote on Sat, Dec 27, 2008 06:39 PM UTC:''Piece Values'' thread revived should be reminded there are dozens of other areas of discussion of piece values. They range from Ralph Betza's articles to my ''Game Design Analyses'' under Large CVs 3xx or 400. Any values estimation has to have a reference point. And only convention says Pawn is the reference, and that it is 1.0. Tim Conway's Angel is just as good a place to start. We could key off instead a piece such as Angel that is as powerful as we could ever possibly want. Actually it takes two values to get a standard started, but they could as well be Angel and Rook, not involving Pawn at all. Now Angel jumps to any square that can be reached in n King moves. (See comments this Shatranj thread for more detail.) With n=7 on 8x8, Angel goes immediately to any square. Provision needs to be made in rules of any specific embodiment as to Angel-King allowability of interaction, removing anomalies. Angel at 60 points may be convenient, but we have to be careful. That is because Angel is not all-powerful, and there are stronger pieces: (a) stipulate Angel cannot be captured for a greater Angel (b) stipulate cases of multiple occupancy, so that King or other piece has more difficulty finding a square to move (c) on board 10x10, n=7 Angel is weaker than n=8 Angel; and so on. For most purposes regular Angel with n equal to the longer dimension would be the most valuable piece, all others will be lesser value, keying A=60 for good relative valuations. Then we are at liberty to find or design a piece, say, 1/6 the worth of Conway's Angel (invented 1970s). Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Shatranj Values does not match any item.