Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To H. G. Muller wrote on Sat, Apr 18, 2009 08:54 PM UTC:Hmm, I am starting to doubt that the Guanaco is anywhere near a Bishop in value. In the match of two Guanacos vs two Knights the Knights lead by 80%. Strange thing is that two Llamas vs one Knight seems to go towards a very clear victory for the Llamas (64%, which suggests a difference of the order of a Pawn). All this after a mere 100-150 games, so with a sizable error bars. But these results would put a Guanaco quite close to a Llama, which is a bit strange, as it is clearly upward compatible with it. Perhaps I should start with a test of two Guanacos against two Llamas, (say as Knight replacements), to get a direct measure of how much the difference between the two really is. It might be that the distant non-captures are pretty useless. Thee are only few squares from which you can actually make them on 8x8, and perhaps the Llama is already fast enough. One thing I can confirm straight away, though: Both two Llamas and two Alpacas make a generally won end-game. (Maximum distance to mate 43 or 51 moves, respectively.) Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID MatsNewPieces does not match any item.