Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To Jeremy Lennert wrote on Mon, May 23, 2011 07:49 PM UTC:Derek Nalls, if I understand this correctly, you say the Queen gets a bonus that cancels out the colorbound penalty that an unpaired piece with only its Bishop move would suffer (which seems fairly reasonable), but also say that the Archbishop receives a bonus of twice the magnitude because its non-Bishop moves are 100% color-switching, while the Queen's non-Bishop moves are only 50% color-switching. It seems to me that this assertion requires defense against at least 3 fundamental and fairly obvious criticisms: 1. Colorboundness is generally believed to be a disadvantage due to its effect on board coverage, NOT single-move mobility: a colorbound piece can access only half the board even when given an infinite number of moves, while, say, a Wazir, despite reaching many fewer squares than a Bishop on a single move, can eventually get anywhere. One can imagine that a piece that can access some fraction greater than half but less than all of the board would have a similar but smaller penalty, but the Knight and Rook (and thus, all compounds including them) can already tour the entire board. So why should we give the least regard to what percentage of their moves are color-switching, as long as they have 100% board coverage? And even if there is some reason we should care, surely SOME part of the colorbound penalty should scale to coverage, rather than mobility? 2. How can it possibly make sense to lift 200% of a penalty? Surely the proper procedure is to derive the value of the Archbishop's movement pattern from first principles, without regard to the practical values of its individual components, in which case the penalty is simply never applied in the first place? You seem to imply that an Archbishop invented by combining the moves of the Bishop and Knight is stronger than an identical piece invented from whole cloth by someone who has never heard of the Bishop or Knight - or that the Rook would magically become stronger if I said that MY Rook is not a Wazir-rider but actually a compound super-piece including the moves of the lame Dabbaba-rider (colorbound) and lame slip-Rook (color-switching). Surely that cannot be your intent? 3. You imply that the Archbishop is somehow 'twice as color-switching' as the Queen, but that doesn't appear to be true by any reasonable metric I can devise. The Rook's movement is on average more than 50% color-switching, unless the board is both empty AND infinite, and you have neglected the fact that the Rook is a larger fraction of the Queen's movement than the Knight is of the Archbishop's. On an 8x8 board, using Betza's crowded mobility calculation and magic number 0.7, a Queen has a mobility of 14.0, of which 5.1 (37%) comes from its color-switching moves, while an Archbishop has a mobility of 11.2, of which 5.25 (47%) comes from its color-switching moves. While the Archbishop has more color-switching movement, it isn't remotely close to double the Queen's, even by percentages. And I'm not sure why we should focus on percentages - once you have a given number of color-switching moves, surely adding more color-preserving moves only makes the piece stronger? In absolute terms, they're nearly equal. I haven't done the calculation on an 8x10 board, but I expect if anything it will bring them closer together, since the extra width presumably adds more mobility to the Rook than to the Knight. On the next page, you award the Archbishop another sizable bonus for canceling the Knight's color-switching limitation (twice the bonus you give the Chancellor, for reasoning similar to the above). But I am not persuaded that color-switching is ANY disadvantage whatsoever (recall that the colors of squares have no direct game-mechanical significance). Muller and I discussed the issue in the comments on Betza's ideal and pratical values part 3, and the only thing we came up with was Muller's suggestion that a switching piece may have a very slight disadvantage in an endgame because it is unable to lose a tempo by triangulation. I cannot imagine this effect would be larger than a whole host of other subtle considerations we are neglecting. Though perhaps an answer to point #1 above would address this as well. I am not terribly eager to read the entire 64-page document unless you can point out where these issues are addressed. Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID ARCHBISHOP Value does not match any item.