Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To George Duke wrote on Mon, Dec 12, 2011 04:56 PM UTC:'Patt' or stalemate sounds like german Patzer too. So rule out all of paddy, pater and patsy and left is 'verpatzen' fitting sound, meaning, construction and time period. Case closed, and at least one english etymology book consulted is just plain wrong indicating another language. Still up in the air is coinage for the stereotypical 'Patzer-designer'? Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Nomenclature_Che does not match any item.