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Well one Root12½orbiter path just manages to fit on an 8x8 board, as the diagram shows, and it looks a strong enough piece even with he restrictions of that board. It might be a bit too strong if anything. I now notiec that a full Fiveorbiter path requires a Nearlydouble Chess board. I was aware that the piece in the second diagram has been used many times under many names (someone else called it a "Mini-Rose"), but it is John Savard's use of it tha I most remember - partly because it drew my attention to the connection with the corresponding Crooked piece>.