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Bn Em wrote on Tue, Jan 9 01:11 PM UTC:

How does the promoted princess move?


Cyril Veltin wrote on Tue, Feb 6 09:36 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from Tue Jan 9 01:11 PM:

Hi,

When promoted, the Princess becomes the Goddess and gains the movement abilities of the King, in addition to her existing capabilities.


Bn Em wrote on Sat, Mar 16 02:03 PM UTC in reply to Cyril Veltin from Tue Feb 6 09:36 PM:

I see, I missed it because it's under the heading of Promotion rather than grouped with the description of the (unpromoted) Princess' move. I'd recommend grouping it with the latter; seems to me people are likelier to find it there

‘Mandatory promotion’ simply means deferring promotion isn't allowed, correct?

Have you tested with the (lack of) pawn‐drop‐checkmate rule? Seems to me there'd be a reason (i.e. pawn‐drop checkmates being distastefully frequent) for that to be in Shōgi, and whilst I may be wrong it doesn't look like this game differs so much that that reason would become invalid


H. G. Muller wrote on Sat, Mar 16 02:45 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 02:03 PM:

I don't see the use of having separate tables for the pieces of the north and south player. These are almost completely the same. And I doubt that one of the differences would be correct: Although it is Japanes custom to have one of the players use 玉将 (Jade General) for royal piece, (not necessarily the north player, btw), Google translate doesn't know any translation for 玉妃. The few differences can easily be mentioned in an extra column, or even both in the same table cell.

And they still don't supply the most important information: which name belongs to which image. You are not showing kanji pieces here, so the Japanese name gives no indication which piece is which.

There doesn't seem any need to list different abbreviations for the two players; in western Shogi notation (PSN) one uses capitals for both players.

You also give no description of the moves. Although many articles here write "pieces ... move as in orthodox Chess", I don't think that we can assume every reader here knows Shogi.

The article is very repetitive anyway; you mention in two places that the difference is the addition of the Princess, even before you start a section "differences with Shogi". Much of that is redundant.


Cyril Veltin wrote on Tue, Apr 9 09:22 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from Sat Mar 16 02:03 PM:

Hi @nelk114,

Absolutly, Mandatory promotion means deferring promotion isn't allowed in this version of the game.

Have you tested with the (lack of) pawn‐drop‐checkmate rule?

Sure :) As you'd expect, this rule has the effect of shortening the duration of games, when the opportunity arises.

My current opinion is that the removal of this rule, which prevented you from checking out with a parachuted pawn, makes the game simpler and at least as enjoyable.

In fact, I can't think of any good reason to keep the shogi constraint.


Cyril Veltin wrote on Tue, Apr 9 09:31 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from Sat Mar 16 02:45 PM:

Hi @HGMuller,

Thank you for your detailled feedback.

I don't see the use of having separate tables for the pieces of the north and south player. These are almost completely the same. And I doubt that one of the differences would be correct: Although it is Japanes custom to have one of the players use 玉将 (Jade General) for royal piece, (not necessarily the north player, btw), Google translate doesn't know any translation for 玉妃. The few differences can easily be mentioned in an extra column, or even both in the same table cell.

You're right. I merged both tables.

And they still don't supply the most important information: which name belongs to which image. You are not showing kanji pieces here, so the Japanese name gives no indication which piece is which.

That's right. I've added images for each of them.

There doesn't seem any need to list different abbreviations for the two players; in western Shogi notation (PSN) one uses capitals for both players.

I updated to use capitals for both players.

You also give no description of the moves. Although many articles here write "pieces ... move as in orthodox Chess", I don't think that we can assume every reader here knows Shogi.

I added a description for each move.

The article is very repetitive anyway; you mention in two places that the difference is the addition of the Princess, even before you start a section "differences with Shogi". Much of that is redundant.

Agree with you. I removed repetitive stuff.

In order to change the slug of the page, from gi to ogi, I created a new page here: https://www.chessvariants.com/rules/ogi (with all the changes)

I will delete this page to avoid duplication.

Thank you.


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